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Gun Pierson · Jan 31, 2009, 12:41 AM // 00:41

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Yep. Because everybody else can't provide one shred of proof that Guild Wars 2 exists, I'm a troll.

It is true we can't provide one shred of proof. We can believe the word of the CRM or not. What's left is hope.

Hope is a remarkable thing. During history people endured all kinds of bad things. Hope is something they can hold on too.

I know this isn't a life or death situation, but we all would like GW2 to be real and rather sooner than later and we want it to be fun.

I'm always in for a nice debate and all, but if we can't have hope anymore...

(About those 20 secs going offline in Warhammer, funny I never thought about it that way, but you make sense there.) And ofcourse an instant world is different than a persistence one, but why can't I find a similar game like gw on the market? There are dozens of wow clones and what not sorta speak.

I wanne spend money on a product and no company can or wants to deliver a game like GW.

Regina Buenaobra · Jan 31, 2009, 02:00 AM // 02:00

Folks, GW2 does exist. It's not vaporware. There's nearly 200 people in the studio working on it day in and day out. It hasn't reached the level of polish where we want to show it off just yet, but I assure you the development team is working super hard on it. I am excited by everything I see in the game, and when we do release information I think people will be excited too.

Every single day I get messages from players asking me for GW2 information. Every single day I have to tell them that we're not ready to show it off yet, and to keep watching the official site. Week in and week out informally and in my regular reports, I tell others in the company that you're all chomping at the bit for news. I have been telling them for the past 6 or 7 months just how badly the community wants this, how angry some of you are. We are standing firm on this -- we won't show GW2 stuff until we think it it will exceed your expectations.

Master Knightfall · Jan 31, 2009, 02:14 AM // 02:14

That's PR lingo boys and girls for "vaporware".

Regina Buenaobra · Jan 31, 2009, 02:27 AM // 02:27

I don't know whether it's better to tell you all that I've seen it and played it -- and have people say that I'm flat out lying, or not post here at all and allow the speculation to continue. I've chosen the first option, mainly because it seems like people are genuinely worried about GW2 not existing. Now, if you choose to reject this and continue believing it's vaporware, then I guess I really can't do a thing about that.

At any rate, I have been and continue to advocate on your behalf in terms of showing GW2 information. They're pretty firm that we should bring the game to a superior level of polish before showing it off.

Gun Pierson · Jan 31, 2009, 02:35 AM // 02:35

I believe you Regina and tx for advocating on our behalf. It seems you're a down to earth person.

I think you did well by chosing the first option. At least for me, as I was indeed genuinely worried. I hope it has a positive effect on other people too.

Btw what class did you play?

(just kidding)

Lord Natural · Jan 31, 2009, 03:25 AM // 03:25

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

Folks, GW2 does exist. It's not vaporware. There's nearly 200 people in the studio working on it day in and day out. It hasn't reached the level of polish where we want to show it off just yet, but I assure you the development team is working super hard on it. I am excited by everything I see in the game, and when we do release information I think people will be excited too.

Every single day I get messages from players asking me for GW2 information. Every single day I have to tell them that we're not ready to show it off yet, and to keep watching the official site. Week in and week out informally and in my regular reports, I tell others in the company that you're all chomping at the bit for news. I have been telling them for the past 6 or 7 months just how badly the community wants this, how angry some of you are. We are standing firm on this -- we won't show GW2 stuff until we think it it will exceed your expectations.

That would seem to be a poor business decision then. I'm a bit indifferent myself, but some people are getting discouraged and the more people who start believing that the game is vaporware, the more likely it is they will move on to another MMORPG and leave GW in the past.

Doesn't it make more sense to keep players hooked by giving them something to chew on. I don't think anyone is expecting a beta tomorrow or even a trailer. But a screenshot, a piece of concept art, or something tangible would go a long way towards dispelling the vaporware rumours.

200 people are working on it and there's not a single thing they can show for it? Did they start this morning?

Society · Jan 31, 2009, 07:14 AM // 07:14

2Regina: Oh, mine... Alright, let's see:
When I announced ".Wanderings", my first step was puting demo. Sure, it was buggy pre-alpha, but it was real.
When I announced "Flow", my first step was puting demo. Sure, it was buggy pre-alpha, but it was real.
When I announced "Finite Height", my first step was puting demo. Sure, it was buggy pre-alpha, but it was real.

...And no one said me that my projects was vapor. Just because they aren't. Releasing, of course, in entirely different matter here, but at least they was in development. And no one ever argued about it, because there was proof...

Feel the difference ? Now, you. 200 people ? Heh, quite interesting. So, why you are recruiting more (http://www.arena.net/jobs/) ? If 200 isn't enough to develop one game (lurk a bit about Touhou series, BTW), even 200k won't help you. You was excited ? Well, it's, basically, your job. PR is sure a difficult task - you must always imitate admiration for adverised things... Well, anyways. You want to polish things before showing us. So polish few and show us ! Come on, it's not that hard. You may also show us non-game media: concept arts. They doesn't even need to be polished. As for me, even few major structure\class definitions will be enough...

Conclusion: you should use proofs, when you are trying to make people belive in your words. Mine is always ready. Your ?

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200 people are working on it and there's not a single thing they can show for it? Did they start this morning?

Seconded.

LemmonHead · Jan 31, 2009, 07:23 AM // 07:23

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

I don't know whether it's better to tell you all that I've seen it and played it -- and have people say that I'm flat out lying, or not post here at all and allow the speculation to continue. I've chosen the first option, mainly because it seems like people are genuinely worried about GW2 not existing. Now, if you choose to reject this and continue believing it's vaporware, then I guess I really can't do a thing about that.

At any rate, I have been and continue to advocate on your behalf in terms of showing GW2 information. They're pretty firm that we should bring the game to a superior level of polish before showing it off.

Thanks for the info Regina.

Guys keep in mind. it took over 2 years to get GW2 done, it took blizzard 3 years to get diablo 3 to a point were they could tell us about it and its not even done yet. Anet hasn't even had a full 2 years to work on GW2.

Cacheelma · Jan 31, 2009, 07:39 AM // 07:39

LOL @ CR damage-controlling scheme. Let me ask: You're a CR and all you can do is waving your CR flag telling us to just take your words for it? What are we, some blind, brainless fools? Some fanbois here give out more concrete reasonings as to why GW2 isn't a vaporware than you did in your 2 posts COMBINED.

Sad, sad day indeed.

Skyy High · Jan 31, 2009, 07:58 AM // 07:58

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Originally Posted by Ctb

I assume you're asking me not what I expected, but what I would have done in their position, and of course I have no idea because I don't know any of the particulars. It's entirely possible, as you indirectly stated, that they had no good options. That still means they chose a bad option, though, and they could have at least come out and said that they didn't have the resources to develop a new game AND the old game at the same time.

In fact, you're probably very right about this. For whatever reason, just being upfront with people, even about relatively inconsequential things, is horridly difficult for most companies.

I don't know how much more upfront they could have possibly been. "Guys, we're stopping all production on new chapters for GW1, pulling all devs save 2 (now bumped up to 5, I think), and moving everyone to this new project. Here's a nice magazine full of lore and concept stuff, much of which would have been in the new expansion, but you won't see now." I mean, how much stronger of a "we can't do both games at the same time" statement do you want? Your interpretation of my post is correct, I don't think they had any good options, but I think they picked the better one of the two, which is still something.

To the trolls above me: what the heck did you expect her to say? "Oh, I see now you guys reeeeeally want info, here you go, sorry it took so long"? If you were just going to call her a liar no matter what she said, why are you surprised that she doesn't address the subject very often?

Craywulf · Jan 31, 2009, 08:00 AM // 08:00

I love it...you naysayers are going to get yourself so embarrassed from this site if Guild Wars 2 actually does come out.

I am not going to defend ArenaNet, nor am I going accuse them of vaporware. I'll reserve judgment until a later date. There's no hardcore proof either way, so you can shout vaporware all you want. Only way it will ever cease to be is if the company goes out of business or they publicly state that Guild Wars 2 has been canceled.

Society · Jan 31, 2009, 08:12 AM // 08:12

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If you were just going to call her a liar no matter what she said, why are you surprised that she doesn't address the subject very often?

Sorry, are you really belive to everything that people saying to you ?

Fril Estelin · Jan 31, 2009, 09:19 AM // 09:19

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

I don't know whether it's better to tell you all that I've seen it and played it

Ty Regina. I've highlighted this bit, because I can't believe how people are talking non-sense when you've said this twice now (once on your talkpage, once here). People may choose to discuss the PR policy or decision behind the silence, everyone has its opinion, but not believing your words on the fact that you've actually played the current GW2 prototype, that goes beyon my understanding. (the only rational explanation being that they're trying to push for more info, forcing you into the corner of denying that GW2 is vaporware, which you've, rightfully IMHO, shown just above)

200 people on GW2, and I thought it was 100+ ! This is going to blow us completely I'm sure, I'm a happy GW1 player who's enjoying rollerbeetle race as always and happy to know you're progressing and getting each day closer to the first interesting bit of news on GW2. Keep up the good work, you're a unique gem in the sea of the gaming industry.

mrvrod · Jan 31, 2009, 09:51 AM // 09:51

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

I don't know whether it's better to tell you all that I've seen it and played it -- and have people say that I'm flat out lying, or not post here at all and allow the speculation to continue. I've chosen the first option, mainly because it seems like people are genuinely worried about GW2 not existing. Now, if you choose to reject this and continue believing it's vaporware, then I guess I really can't do a thing about that.

At any rate, I have been and continue to advocate on your behalf in terms of showing GW2 information. They're pretty firm that we should bring the game to a superior level of polish before showing it off.

Well I for one appreciate you coming here, despite the heat, and posting what you did. I believe you, and am relieved to read that you have seen the actual game and are hyped by what you've seen.

One suggestion for your company I would give is this; Someone there should update the GW2 website, put the backstory that was already released in PC Gamer on a tab of the official GW2 site. Post the 5 races, with their concept art (also previously released in PCG). Basically get that site ready for the outflux of new info, 'coming soon' signs accepted.

I think (actually for myself - know) it's the outward appearance of no progress that is worrisome. Maybe getting the site more polished would assuage some fears, maybe not.

Society · Jan 31, 2009, 10:22 AM // 10:22

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not believing your words on the fact that you've actually played the current GW2 prototype, that goes beyon my understanding

Heh... I doesn't belive in Santa Claus, tooth fairies, communism and 200-people projects wizout any screenshots or even concept art. Sorry, man.

Shadow Kurd · Jan 31, 2009, 11:13 AM // 11:13

Do people here really have nothing else to do than GW? Isn't there anything else that you can do while you wait for GW2?

Btw thanks Regina.
Most of the people on this forums don't know anything about designing and marketing so they tend to get a "little" impatience.

RedNova88 · Jan 31, 2009, 11:24 AM // 11:24

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Originally Posted by Lord Natural

200 people are working on it and there's not a single thing they can show for it? Did they start this morning?

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We are standing firm on this -- we won't show GW2 stuff until we think it it will exceed your expectations.

Take a chill pill people. And just for the record, for those of you trying to convince them this is bad marketing and people will just move on, I say to you... You're still here... Posting about GW2 nearly every day.

It is likely that they have seen the recent MMOs release and then nearly flop a month later because they can't maintain their subscription base with all the hype they got in the beginning, then failing to deliver on it. So they spend their time polishing their game, making sure it's absolutely perfect before even releasing screen shots and such.

Just give it time.

dominik · Jan 31, 2009, 11:35 AM // 11:35

i can already see the next stage of the vapoware trolls. as soon as anet releases some screenshots, people will come up with something like: "Oh, everybody can put together some screenshots in a 3d programm without having an actual game. gw2 is vapoware more than ever".

just look at darkfall. some people still think its vapoware after seeing screenshots, videos and beta reports.

slowerpoke · Jan 31, 2009, 11:36 AM // 11:36

You showed off guildwars when it looked like this. I bet folks didnt complain what it looked like and were pleased to see anything. They would only be more pleased to see that the end product was event more polished.

Players are aware products change and improve, you may want to give us a little more credit, than taking the attitude of 'sorry cant show you anything'.

Society · Jan 31, 2009, 12:05 PM // 12:05

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i can already see the next stage of the vapoware trolls. as soon as anet releases some screenshots, people will come up with something like: "Oh, everybody can put together some screenshots in a 3d programm without having an actual game. gw2 is vapoware more than ever".

Well, at least it would proof that ANet still has some 3D modellers\Animators)...